Two recent conversations from the On Adventure Podcast — and what they have to say about the lives the rest of us are building.
Every so often we like to step back from the episode list and look for the thread running through it. This time the thread found us. One guest has spent decades on the world’s high mountains and keeps discovering how little that protects him. The other didn’t start camping until her thirties and didn’t pick up a trail-maintenance section until she was fifty-nine. Different altitudes, opposite directions — and the same quiet conclusion. What you’ve already done is not the thing that carries you. Staying honest about where you actually are is.
Episode 79: Why Altitude Humbles Even Experienced Climbers
Karl Frank is a Colorado native, a mountaineer working his way through the Seven Summits, and the president of A&I Wealth Management in Denver — a man who grew up hiking out the back door of his family’s home at 7,000 feet and has been climbing ever since.
What stayed with us wasn’t the summit list. It was how candid Karl is about the mistakes that came from being sure of himself. On Kilimanjaro, a chest cold turned him around at the Barranco Wall — and the descent route that opened up as a result is one he counts among the best hikes of his life. Two physicians in his group were carrying a full medical kit and he never asked them for help, because he was the guy from the big mountains. On Aconcagua, in a bad weather year, his heaviest gloves stayed in his pack so he could move faster. He lost the skin on the tips of all ten fingers and all ten toes.
His line about impaired judgment is the one we keep repeating: you spot it in your climbing partners long before you spot it in yourself. He also says something quieter — that getting up is optional and getting down is not, and that most of the trouble starts after the summit. Anyone who has watched a family reach a long-planned financial milestone and then lose the plot afterward will recognize the shape of that.
Episode 78: Adventure Has No Expiration Date with Beverly MacDowell
Beverly MacDowell is a retired educator, hiking guide, trail maintainer, and search-and-rescue trainee based in Asheville, North Carolina — and the great majority of that list, as she puts it, happened after fifty.
She didn’t begin camping until her thirties. She joined the Carolina Mountain Club in her fifties, started maintaining a section of the Appalachian Trail at fifty-nine, and began search-and-rescue training at sixty-five. Along the way she has made a practice of taking women over sixty backpacking for the first time — supplying the equipment, the knowledge, and the company, so that something that looked impossible from a distance turns out to be a matter of one foot in front of the other.
What we keep coming back to is her insistence that a little challenge is good for us, and that it matters more, not less, with age. Hiking asks the body and the brain to keep adapting — rocks, roots, balance, weather — and that adaptation is the point. She and Josh also talked about Western North Carolina after Hurricane Helene, and about Max Patch recovering from being loved too hard, which is its own lesson about the places that give us a great deal and need something back.
What We Took From Both
Put the two conversations side by side and you get a useful pair of correctives.
Karl’s is a warning against confidence that has outrun the conditions. Experience is real, but it doesn’t transfer cleanly to a new mountain, a new market, or a new decade of life — and the person least likely to notice the drift is the one experiencing it. That’s most of the argument for a plan written in advance, and for having someone in the party who is allowed to say the uncomfortable thing.
Beverly’s is a warning against the opposite error — assuming the interesting part is behind you. A financial plan is not a monument to what you’ve already accumulated. It’s a set of decisions about what you still intend to do, and for most of the people we work with, the second half of that list is the better half: the trip, the gift, the business handed on well, the grandchildren taught by being taken along.
Neither one is really about mountains. Stay honest about where you are. Keep a little challenge in the plan. And don’t assume your best adventures are behind you.
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