Episode 78: Adventure Has No Expiration Date with Beverly MacDowell


Adventure Has No Expiration Date with Beverly McDowell

What if some of your greatest adventures are still ahead of you?

In this episode of On Adventure, Josh sits down with Beverly McDowell, a retired educator, hiking guide, trail maintainer, and lifelong learner based in Asheville, North Carolina. She’s also the sister of actress Andie MacDowell – but Beverly has carved out an adventurous story entirely her own, much of it after age 50.

Beverly shares how hiking became a source of joy, confidence, community, and purpose, from introducing women over 60 to backpacking to maintaining sections of the Appalachian Trail. Along the way, she and Josh explore the beauty of Western North Carolina, the recovery following Hurricane Helene, the remarkable restoration of Max Patch, and why continuing to challenge ourselves physically and mentally becomes even more important as we age.

At the heart of the conversation is a simple reminder: you don’t have to take on crazy risks to become an adventurer. And you certainly don’t have to stop because you’re getting older.

🥾 In This Episode

  • 00:00 — Beverly’s unexpected second career as a hiking guide
  • 03:00 — Guiding visitors through Asheville and the Blue Ridge Mountains
  • 05:00 — George Vanderbilt’s lasting impact on Western North Carolina
  • 09:00 — Helping women over 60 experience backpacking
  • 13:00 — What first-time backpackers discover about themselves
  • 14:00 — Favorite destinations: the Smokies, Mount Mitchell, and 6,000-foot peaks
  • 17:00 — Hiking and tourism in Asheville after Hurricane Helene
  • 19:00 — How Max Patch recovered from being “over-loved”
  • 24:00 — Beverly’s favorite places to take first-time visitors
  • 30:00 — Why the mountains keep calling her back
  • 33:00 — Discovering camping at 36—and raising outdoor kids
  • 34:00 — Why it’s never too late to start hiking
  • 36:00 — Movement, balance, aging, and becoming more “antifragile”
  • 39:00 — Finding your own challenge and growth zone
  • 41:00 — Nature as meditation and an antidote to distraction
  • 44:00 — What outdoor experiences teach the next generation
  • 49:00 — Beverly’s search-and-rescue training and continuing desire to learn
  • 53:00 — The enduring lesson: adventure can begin at any age
  • 54:00 — How to connect with Beverly and hike with her

🌲 Key Takeaways

It’s not too late. Beverly didn’t begin camping until her 30s, joined the Carolina Mountain Club in her 50s, began maintaining the Appalachian Trail at 59, and started search-and-rescue training at 65.

A little challenge is good for us. Hiking asks the body and brain to constantly adapt—from navigating rocks and roots to maintaining balance—and Beverly believes those challenges become especially valuable as we age.

Guidance can turn intimidation into independence. By providing equipment, knowledge, safety, and community, Beverly has helped women over 60 discover that backpacking isn’t beyond their reach.

Nature restores more than the body. For Beverly, being outside is simultaneously exercise, meditation, education, and connection. As she puts it, getting outdoors is simply “a balm.”

Protecting wild places matters. From her trail-maintenance work at Max Patch to her love for Pisgah National Forest, Beverly’s story is also a reminder that the places that give us so much need something from us in return.

💬 Memorable Moments

“The majority of everything I did was post-50.”

“It’s a balm to get outside, to get your feet on the earth and walk.”

“A little challenge is good.”

“It makes you a completely badass grandmama.”

Connect with Beverly

Follow Bev McDowell on Facebook for Western North Carolina hiking, wildflowers, mushrooms, and outdoor adventures.

You can also find Beverly and request a guided half-day, full-day, or backpacking experience through Blue Ridge Hiking Company.

Whether your next adventure is a multi-day backpacking trip or simply walking a trail you’ve never explored before, Beverly’s message is worth carrying with you:

Start where you are. Keep moving. And don’t assume your best adventures are behind you.

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Episode 77: The John Muir Trail, Leadership, and Running Toward Adventure with Alex Potts


What happens when you stop running away from the pressures of life and start running toward the life you actually want?

Alex Potts grew up in Sunnyvale, California, riding BMX bikes through the apricot orchards that would eventually become the heart of Silicon Valley. Raised by a single mom who taught elementary school and worked hard to keep their family afloat, Alex learned early lessons about money, service, resilience, and taking care of other people.

Those lessons followed him into a remarkable career.

Alex spent more than three decades helping build what became Loring Ward, a firm that helped pioneer the fee-based model used by independent financial advisors today. Along the way, he discovered that the most meaningful work wasn’t simply about accumulating assets. It was about helping people solve problems that actually mattered.

Then, while still in his 50s, Alex stepped away from the top job.

And that’s where another chapter of his story really began.

In this episode of On Adventure, Alex and I talk about business, family, friendship, endurance, and the pull of wild places. We explore why running became an outlet during one of the most stressful periods of his life, how the John Muir Trail helped reshape his relationship with adventure, and why some of his strongest friendships have been forged while doing difficult things outdoors.

We also get into a frightening day in the Grand Canyon when Alex—despite being in some of the best shape of his life—learned just how quickly an adventure can turn dangerous.

A mile and a half from the top, in extreme heat, his body started shutting down.

What helped turn things around?

A total stranger and a bag of beef jerky.

This conversation is ultimately about much more than hiking or business. It’s about service, wisdom, community, and getting busy living while you still have the opportunity.

In This Episode

We talk about:

  • From Silicon Valley to financial industry leadership — Alex’s upbringing in Sunnyvale, the influence of his parents, and his three-decade journey helping build Loring Ward.
  • Building a life around service — Why Alex believes great businesses, advisors, and leaders put helping people ahead of products, assets, or “wallet share.”
  • Running away vs. running toward — How running initially became an escape from the pressures of work and family before adventure evolved into something Alex intentionally pursued.
  • Adventure, friendship, and community — From the John Muir Trail and Mount Whitney to the Excellent Adventure group, Alex explains why difficult experiences shared with others create unusually strong friendships.
  • Knowing your limits—and having each other’s backs — What a dangerous Grand Canyon rim-to-rim hike taught Alex about preparation, humility, listening to his body, and the unexpected kindness of strangers.

Episode Timestamps

Episode Timestamps

00:00 – From Silicon Valley Roots to Loring Ward
Alex’s childhood in Sunnyvale, being raised by a single mom, and the unlikely path that led him into financial services and eventually to building Loring Ward.

08:00 – Building a Business Around Service, Not Sales
Why Alex rejected the traditional asset-gathering mentality and built a culture centered on genuinely helping advisors and their clients solve meaningful problems.

18:00 – Where the Drive to Help Others Comes From
Alex reflects on his mother, his father’s recovery from addiction, and how both shaped his belief in service, compassion, and taking care of people.

21:00 – The Day Running Changed His Life
Overwhelmed by a demanding career, young children, and little sleep, Alex started running—and discovered the value of exercise, solitude, and uninterrupted thinking.

24:00 – The John Muir Trail and Finding Sanctuary Outdoors
Backpacking through Yosemite and the Sierra Nevada, encountering ancient forests, and discovering the peace and perspective that come from extended time in wild places.

31:00 – Running Away vs. Running Toward Adventure
How Alex’s relationship with the outdoors evolved from a coping mechanism and escape into an intentional pursuit of adventure, challenge, and joy.

33:00 – Why the Best Adventures Are Shared
From Mount Whitney to the Excellent Adventure group, Alex and Josh explore friendship, companionship, and why doing hard things together creates such powerful bonds.

41:00 – Knowing When to Push—and When to Stop
Why fitness isn’t enough in the backcountry, how experience builds wisdom, and the importance of checking your ego when conditions or your body tell you something isn’t right.

43:00 – Grand Canyon Survival, Beef Jerky & Trail Magic
A rim-to-rim Grand Canyon hike in 110-degree heat goes sideways, a stranger’s bag of beef jerky helps Alex recover, and the experience becomes a powerful lesson in humility and having each other’s backs.

A Few Takeaways

Adventure can change from escape to pursuit.
At one point, running and the outdoors gave Alex a way to cope with stress. Eventually, something shifted. Instead of running away from something, he began running toward experiences he genuinely wanted.

Fitness and wisdom aren’t the same thing.
Being capable of pushing harder doesn’t always mean you should. Experience teaches us to recognize the signals our bodies—and sometimes our lives—are sending.

The best adventures are often about the people beside you.
The summit matters. The trail matters. But years later, it’s often the people who struggled, laughed, helped, and celebrated alongside us that we remember most.

Service is a way of being.
Whether you’re helping a client navigate a family crisis, staying at the back of a hiking group to make sure everyone gets home, or opening a door for someone at the grocery store, the principle is the same: I’ve got your back.

Resources & References Mentioned

  • John Muir Trail — The roughly 200+ mile Sierra Nevada trail Alex has backpacked in sections

  • Yosemite National Park — One of Alex’s favorite places on the planet

  • Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) — Alex discusses encountering thru-hikers while on the JMT

  • Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park — Near Alex’s home in the Santa Cruz Mountains and home to magnificent old-growth redwoods

  • Undaunted Courage by Stephen E. Ambrose — Alex’s recommended account of the Lewis and Clark expedition

  • Arthur Brooks — Referenced during the discussion of “deal friends” versus “real friends”

  • Dimensional Fund Advisors — An important part of Alex’s professional story and later his son’s career

Final Thought

One of the most memorable ideas in this conversation is also one of the simplest.

When you’re on a trail and someone is struggling, you help.

You don’t ask whether they’re part of your group. You don’t calculate what’s in it for you. You recognize that today it’s them—and tomorrow it could be you.

Alex has carried that philosophy from his childhood into business, from business onto the trail, and from the trail back into everyday life.

Maybe that’s part of what adventure is here to teach us.

Take care of the people around you. Know when to push and when to turn around. Find places where the voices go quiet. And don’t spend your whole life running away from something.

Find something worth running toward.

Keep the Adventure Going

If this conversation resonated with you, share it with someone you’d want beside you on the trail.

Subscribe to On Adventure wherever you listen to podcasts, and check out The Money Trail Guide for practical ideas to help you plan for adventure, minimize “trail waste” along the way, and use your resources to move toward the life that matters most to you.

Because someday isn’t the goal.

The adventure is happening now.

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On Adventure: Lessons from the Edge

Two recent conversations from the On Adventure Podcast – and what they have to say about the lives the rest of us are building.

Every so often we like to step back from the individual episodes and notice the thread running between them. The two most recent conversations on the On Adventure Podcast came from very different places – a bike-shop classroom on the California coast and a rotating string of mountain towns out West – and yet they landed in almost exactly the same spot. Both are about choosing the harder, fuller life on purpose, rather than drifting toward comfort or putting it off for some vague day down the road.

That turns out to be a financial question as much as an adventuring one. So here are the two, and a bit of what stayed with us.

Episode 75: Hard Things Are Worth Doing with Justin Smith

Justin Smith teaches high school in Santa Cruz, where his classroom is a working bike shop – teenagers learning to fix bikes, build résumés, and solve real problems with their own hands. On his own time, he’s an ultra-endurance athlete who has ridden the 2,700-mile Tour Divide from Banff to the Mexican border in sixteen straight days, raced the Fiji Eco-Challenge, and lined up at the Ironman World Championships in Kona.

What we appreciated most was how ordinary he made all of it sound. Justin talks about the “pain cave” – the dark hours before sunrise on day two of a race, when the body starts asking what exactly you’re doing out here – not as something to conquer but as a room you learn to redecorate and settle into. Comfort, he says, is what gets sold to us. Hard things are what actually move the needle. The line he repeats to his students and his daughter has stuck with us: a ship is safe in its harbor, but that is not what ships were built for.

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Episode 76: Do It While You Can with Stefan Gruber

Stefan Gruber grew up in Raleigh, studied engineering at Western Carolina, and today works a remote job for a technology company he’s been with for about six years. But the more interesting thing about Stefan is what the remote job makes possible. Where a lot of us build our lives around our work, Stefan has quietly done the reverse – he’s built his work around the life he actually wants to live.

For the last couple of years, that life has been a moving target, in the best sense. When his wife Sarah began travel nursing, the two of them packed a car and a trailer and started following her contracts – Bozeman, where they later got married in Glacier; Idaho; and now Colorado Springs, in the shadow of the Garden of the Gods. Almost everywhere they land, there’s climbing within twenty minutes of the front door. Stefan describes climbing the way Josh describes the trail: one of the rare activities where you’re so locked into the next move that everything else – work, stress, the noise – simply melts away. He’s an unusually good photographer, too, a habit that started when he found an old camera lens in his parents’ attic and went looking for the camera to match it.

He was refreshingly honest about the cost. Living on the move means no steady circle of friends – the hardest part, he admitted, of the whole adventure. But when Josh asked him to boil it all down to one lesson, Stefan didn’t hesitate: get out and do these things while you can. We only live once, we’re a little older every day, and the experiences, he said, end up meaning more than any car or house ever could.

That’s a sentence we think about a lot on the financial side of the desk. The only real value of money is in its use – spending it on what’s genuinely of value to you, whatever your version of that is. It’s easy to spend a whole career building bigger buckets for a someday that keeps receding, only to arrive less healthy, less able, or not at all. Stefan’s life is a working argument for the alternative: decide what matters, and go live some of it now.

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What We Took From Both

Put the two side by side and the lesson from the edge is really one lesson. The worthwhile life rarely happens by default. It gets chosen – on purpose, against the pull of comfort, and without waiting for permission or for the perfect moment that never quite arrives.

That’s the heart of how we think about planning, too. A good plan isn’t about the number for its own sake. It’s about being able to do the hard, meaningful things on purpose, to stay present through the long stretches, and to spend a life – not just save for one. We’re grateful to guides like Justin and Stefan for the reminder.

If either of these resonate, they’re worth a full listen. And if you’d like to talk through what you want your own version of “do it while you can” to look like, we’re here and happy to help.

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Legacy Is Caught, Not Taught: Raising Kids Who Can Carry What You Build

There’s a line from a recent On Adventure conversation that we haven’t been able to shake. Talking about his own children, ultrarunner Aaron Saft said that legacy is something children catch rather than something we teach. He wasn’t talking about money – he was talking about the way his kids absorbed a love of the outdoors by watching, not by being lectured. But the more we sat with it, the more it felt like the truest thing anyone has said about passing on wealth.

Most families we work with have thought carefully about the mechanics of transferring assets – the wills, the trusts, the beneficiary designations. Far fewer have thought about the harder question underneath it: will the people who inherit this be ready to carry it? And that readiness, it turns out, is caught long before it’s ever formally taught.

The Quiet Curriculum

Children learn how money works in a household the same way they learn a first language – by immersion, years before anyone sits them down to explain it. They watch whether money is a source of tension or calm. They notice whether generosity is a habit or an afterthought. They pick up on whether work is something you resent or something you take pride in. By the time a family is ready to talk openly about the estate, the deeper lessons have usually already been absorbed, for better or worse.

This is good news and hard news at once. The good news is that you have far more influence than a single conversation could ever carry. The hard news is that you can’t outsource it to a document. A beautifully drafted trust can protect assets, but it cannot manufacture judgment, gratitude, or a sense of purpose in the person who receives them.

What Actually Gets Passed Down

When we ask families what they most hope to leave behind, almost no one leads with a dollar figure. They talk about work ethic. About generosity. About the sense that the family stands for something. The money is real and it matters – but it tends to be the vehicle, not the destination.

That reframing changes how a plan gets built. If the goal is simply to transfer the largest possible sum, the plan is an exercise in tax efficiency. If the goal is to transfer capacity – the values and the competence to steward what’s been built – then the plan has to include the people, not just the assets. That might mean bringing adult children into age-appropriate conversations earlier. It might mean letting them practice with real decisions while the stakes are still small. It might mean being honest about how the wealth was built, including the setbacks, so the next generation inherits the full story and not just the balance sheet.

Small, Repeated Signals

Because legacy is caught, the signals that matter most are usually small and repeated rather than grand and occasional. A family that gives together, even modestly, teaches generosity more effectively than a one-time gift ever could. A parent who talks openly about a financial mistake teaches resilience and honesty. A household where money is discussed calmly, without shame or secrecy, raises children who can do the same as adults.

None of this requires a fortune, and none of it happens on a deadline. It’s the accumulation of ordinary moments – the same way a hundred-mile race is really just one mile run a hundred times.

Where a Plan Fits

This is where the financial and the personal meet. The structures still matter enormously – thoughtful estate planning, clear documents, and a shared understanding of who does what and when can spare a family real pain down the road. But the structures work best when they sit on top of a family that has been quietly prepared to receive them. One without the other tends to disappoint.

If you’ve been thinking about what you want to pass on – and, just as importantly, to whom, and how ready they are – that’s a conversation worth having out loud. We’re here and happy to help you think it through.

This article is for general educational purposes and is not intended as legal, tax, or investment advice. Please consult your own advisors regarding your specific situation.

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The Owner’s Long Trail: Planning the Years Before You Sell

Ask a seasoned hiker about a big route and they’ll tell you the summit gets all the attention, but the descent is where people get into trouble. Ed Viesturs, the mountaineer, put it plainly: getting to the top is optional; getting down is mandatory. We think about that a lot when we sit with business owners, because selling or handing off a company is a lot like the descent. The years of climbing – building the thing, making payroll, growing it – get all the glory. The way down gets far less planning than it deserves, and it’s where the real risk lives.

For many owners, the business is the single largest asset they’ll ever hold, and often the least liquid. The transition from owning it to having sold it is one of the biggest financial and personal shifts a person can go through. It rewards the people who start early, and it tends to punish the ones who wait until a buyer is already at the table.

The Trail Starts Years Before the Sale

The most common regret we hear isn’t about price. It’s about timing – specifically, about how little runway an owner left themselves. The moves that most improve an eventual outcome tend to take years, not months: cleaning up the financials so the numbers tell a clear story, reducing the degree to which the business depends on the owner personally, building a management team that can run things without you in the room, and documenting the systems that live only in your head. A buyer pays more for a business that can thrive without its founder – and, not coincidentally, that same work makes the business easier and more enjoyable to run in the meantime.

Starting early also creates options. An owner with a five-year horizon can be patient, wait for the right buyer or structure, and walk away from a bad deal. An owner with a five-month horizon is at the mercy of whatever offer appears. Time, on this trail, is leverage.

Liquidity Is a Different Animal

There’s a particular disorientation that comes with turning an illiquid asset into a liquid one. For years, wealth has been tied up in something you could see, touch, and influence. After a sale, it becomes a number in an account – and suddenly the questions change entirely. How much is enough to support the life you want? How should proceeds be positioned when they arrive all at once, rather than earned gradually over time? What are the tax implications of the deal structure, and how do they ripple across the years that follow?

These aren’t questions to answer in the closing week. They’re far better handled in advance, when there’s still time to shape the structure of the sale itself rather than simply react to it. The decisions made before the transaction often matter more than the decisions made after.

The Question Nobody Puts on the Term Sheet

Then there’s the part that no valuation captures: who are you when the business is no longer yours? For many owners, the company isn’t just what they do – it’s a large part of who they are, the thing that organizes their days and their sense of contribution. We’ve watched financially successful sales leave people unexpectedly adrift, simply because no one planned for the identity transition alongside the financial one.

The owners who navigate this well tend to have thought ahead of time about what the next season is for. More time with family. A cause they want to pour into. A different kind of work, or the freedom to explore. The money is what makes those things possible, but it isn’t the thing itself – and knowing the difference ahead of time makes the descent far steadier.

Where We Come In

A good transition plan pulls all of these threads together: the operational work that makes a business more valuable and more sellable, the financial planning that turns a lump sum into lasting security, the tax and structural thinking that’s most powerful when it’s early, and the personal question of what comes next. None of it has to happen at once. But the sooner the trail is mapped, the more control you keep over how it ends.

If a transition is somewhere on your horizon – even a distant one – it’s worth starting the conversation now, while time is still on your side. We’re here and happy to help you think it through.

This article is for general educational purposes and is not intended as legal, tax, or investment advice. Please consult your own advisors regarding your specific situation.

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